WickedFire just DIED (1-8-2019) while reading FatBat TumbleWeed Thread in STS

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While I wasn't fond of people getting roasted all the time (although sometimes it was certainly warranted), I do miss seeing people getting dickrolled. Even after being on there for 4-5 years, I would fall for it myself. It was always that moment where you're like..."God Damiit!! I can't believe I just fell for that!".
 

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Bwahaha, I remember after being on there since 2007 I'd still fall for it. My fiance' at the time was walking by and seen that wierd swirling thing flying around on my computer and was like wtf!!? Imagine trying to explain that shit to her lol
 
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In my mind, Wickedfire died due to four things that happened in this order:
  1. Resisting new users' attempts at joining the culture, which meant the active user base was steadily dwindling.
  2. Penguin destroying 90% of the user base's income overnight, sending most of them off into the Bitcoin world, the closes equivalent to the EMD world of the pre-Penguin era.
  3. Raising the price of the BST to just under $250 a month, while requiring you to start a new thread every 2 weeks and constantly lose all momentum. This meant the cheap stuff like social bookmarks couldn't exist there, and thus at least half of the lurkers and posters had no reason to lurk any more.
  4. Forcing a paid subscription on content even to the users who wrote the content. I suspect less than 1% of the user base signed up, and most of that was for one month to scrape the content and then cancel.
That's what happens when saving face is more important than admitting you made a mistake and being seen undoing a past mistake. It's okay to step backwards and salvage something nice. Otherwise you're just patching patches on a sinking ship, applying them with a battle axe.
All of the above but I believe the main reason is simply competition: Thousands of Facebook groups, Reddit, YouTube and competition from other forums and the ease of Wordpress allowed anyone to publish affiliate related content. You could find much better content that was actually helpful.

Jon's lack of involvement didn't help either (he was very active in the the beginning) and the forum grew to be very toxic with it's attitude that also contributed to it's demise.
 
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WF died cuz Jon decided to let it die. That's all.

That said it will never die.
The community is still alive in a tertiary sort of way.
Former members have gone on to found an insane amount of successful plays in performance marketing and web services. There really is a paypal mafia effect. You can basically run an M&A firm just doing deals off contacts from that place.
 
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Either the server was located at KingsLanding or Jon forgot to put auto-pay on his domains before being sent to the wall...

 
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Damn, this thread gives me "collective unconscious" vibes. On a random urge, I checked out WF last week just to remember what it was like. Then I come here and CCarter's post is the first thing I see! Kind of like the story of how people hallucinate seeing a loved one on the night that they die.
 

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So, does anyone here plan on trying to snatch up the domain if it reaches that point? What would you all estimate the value of it to be?
 

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In reality though, Jon never had a ball to begin with
We agree I was more referring to his bullshit paywall fiasco that went up in flames. Once that died it was game over he pretty much vanished into the ether.
 

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So, does anyone here plan on trying to snatch up the domain if it reaches that point? What would you all estimate the value of it to be?
I don't think it's that valuable for any traditional SEO metrics. From a marketing angle Wickedfire doesn't have the best reputation either, from its community or the nature of the content they were allowed to post. But it did have gobs of delicious info if you were willing to wade through the metric butt tons of crap (which stopped being a problem when the paywall went up, and now isn't a problem at all).

Here's what I'd imagine you'd get by redirecting it or having a squeeze page to push people to another forum:
  • 1/20th of old timers looking for nostalgia
  • 1/20th of newcomers to the game hearing about it and trying to check it out
  • 18/20ths of third worlders looking to spam in some fashion
If you have good spam walls in place, you could get something out of it, especially with the first blast of news going around that it's dead and redirecting to a different forum. That would die out in about 48 hours though.

Of course, you could just build a new forum on the domain and hope the old crowd reinvests into it from the ground up. Doubtful since the majority quit thanks to Penguin and went into crypto and whatever opportunistic stuff is available.

I don't think it's a valuable purchase past a few grand total, really. Someone really willing to deploy some slick marketing could make a real go at it though, in which case I could see spending upwards to $25k or something (totally winging the numbers here).

Of course you'll have the copyright issues to contend with. Just because a ball was taken home doesn't mean it won't come into play again, especially when it's a beach ball covered in S A L T.
 
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Wickedfire is live again for anyone interested in becoming Committed to Success™