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-Sidney claiming she gave Fox evidence & Fox ignored it.
-Fox claiming they asked repeatively for evidence and Sidney hasn't delivered anything.

Odd.
 

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Sadly, Fox News has taken a hard turn towards the left.
 

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Sadly, Fox News has taken a hard turn towards the left.
How far to the right are you that anything or anyone that disagrees with you is on the left?

Serious question, man. I read a lot of your posts and want to reply. Like, when is the last time you took a step back and reflected on what your believe to be true. How deep in the woods are you? I understand rooting for your guy to win, but some people make the support of their political party their entire life & identity. Seems like that's all you post about here nowadays.

Anyways, how's the dropshipping site going?
 

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The delusion from some people in this thread is hilarious.

I live in Scottsdale in something like a R+12 district. Plenty of Trump signs but this time around I saw a lot of Biden/Harris signs. I knew for sure Mark Kelly was going to beat McSally because she is a terrible candidate and I thought Trump/Biden was a coin flip.

A couple of LOL things I have read here "why would you show your evidence before trial!".
-You show your evidence so your case does not get dismissed.

"Yeah but we are saving it for SCOTUS. DUHHH"
-That is not how appeals work you almost never get to present NEW evidence in an appeal. If they remand the case back to the district court you MAY be able to at that point.

Living here in AZ I can 100% see how Trump lost. People like me didn't vote or they split the ticket. Trump lost get over it. It won't be the last time the candidate you prefer loses. Make as much money as you can and invest it as best you can. Vote for whatever party best matches your world view.

Also for the love of good stop wearing political merchandise. It was dumb when people wore Obama shit 12 years ago and it is just as cringe with the dumb MAGA shit. No politician deserves your allegiance.
 
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It's funny how some of you non-voters and lefties seem so uncaring about fraud when it's in your favor.

I could care less about Biden or Trump winning, if it's deemed legit.

However, I have been voting long enough and lived through enough to know fraud has been going on with voting for decades on decades now.

Especially with "dead voter" fraud. Now we have new kinds of fraud.

As with anything, things scale with time and ease of access ( mail-in, digital tools, etc ).

Forget Biden/Trump.

Forget left/right.

Forget wanting your damn school loans paid for and "justice" for whatever you didn't get enough of as an infant.

If you aren't questioning the things you consume and have happen around you, you're a willing accomplice to whatever you deem "unfair" in the future. To whatever outcomes you face years later.

So many of you under the age of 40 WANT TO BE TOLD what to believe, and do. How to think and how to act. It's like the participation trophies and brainwashing at the public schools prepped you how not to think or question, based on perceived correctness and false emotion.

You should be really involved sadly.

What you gonna do when in 4 years or 8 years the "other political party" does the same to you and you get Republicans for the next 40 years in office non-stop because they scale it up even further? You gonna cry fowl then, or will you just accept they won like you did Biden with no questions asked?

You don't think the other side is gonna remember and treat you the same?
 

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I have been a republican all my life. My issue with the party now is that we let the worst people run the show.

In AZ we let Kelli Ward take charge and now we have TWO Democrat senators and we just lost the Presidency. Kelli Ward you know the dumbest politician in Arizona who thought she could primary McCain by attacking his age in ARIZONA.

"However, I have been voting long enough and lived through enough to know fraud has been going on with voting for decades on decades now."

Of course vote fraud occurs the real issue is how often and by how much. This election was not stolen it was lost. If you have proof you should send it to Powell since she needs it judging by her legal complaints.

If you want to take a look at the type of voter fraud that takes place check out a heritage foundation report compiled of prior years data.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

GOP has HUNDREDS of top tier legal talent on retainer for voting related legal issues. Yet we have Rudy and Powell running around like morons filing the dumbest shit just to get tossed.

The 3rd circuit just unanimously dunked on the PA lawsuit. All three judges were Republican appointed and the judge writing the opinion was a Trump nominee.
-> https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20417628-trump

Nothing I say or point you to will change your mind so I won't bother. I just find it funny when people cry about mass fraud or what was stolen from them with zero proof. Scores of dead people did not vote and no one pressed a magic button controlling thousands of voting machines on election night.

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One last thing Qanon is a joke run by a network of grifters and if you actually put any stock in it may god have mercy on your soul. Not saying you do just thought I would add that.
 
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The 3rd circuit just unanimously dunked on the PA lawsuit. All three judges were Republican appointed and the judge writing the opinion was a Trump nominee.
Yep. If you look at the surface, you'd think the complaints are meritless and everyone involved are low IQ dummies, because even their own party rejected the case. What they really did was fast-track it to the SCOTUS because there's a deadline approaching. It looks one way on the surface, it plays another way in reality. The judges used deception and get to look neutral while their own opponents sing their praises for doing so.

If you believe Guliani, the guy that cleaned up NY city and took down the mob, and Powell, the woman that exposed the FBI for altering documents to force Flynn into lying about lying about a topic that wasn't even discussed... if you believe those two people are as dumb as you believe Trump is, you need to rethink this whole brainwashing thing.
 

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Yep. If you look at the surface, you'd think the complaints are meritless and everyone involved are low IQ dummies, because even their own party rejected the case. What they really did was fast-track it to the SCOTUS because there's a deadline approaching. It looks one way on the surface, it plays another way in reality. The judges used deception and get to look neutral while their own opponents sing their praises for doing so.

If you believe Guliani, the guy that cleaned up NY city and took down the mob, and Powell, the woman that exposed the FBI for altering documents to force Flynn into lying about lying about a topic that wasn't even discussed... if you believe those two people are as dumb as you believe Trump is, you need to rethink this whole brainwashing thing.

Rudy has not been in court in decades I 100% believe he is out of his depth. Powell is a lunatic and her latest filing is filled with basic errors that not even a Pro Se plaintiff would make.

SCOTUS can only judge what is presented to them in the appeal. The case you are claiming will go to SCOTUS is not even a fraud complaint by it's own admission. I live in this reality the only one available to me, I am sorry I can't decipher the Q drops and read between the lines.

 

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm always sure to take the evidence-free assertions of of ranting strangers on message boards over the data-backed testimony of hugely successful, proven lawyers, and the sworn affidavits of hundreds of postal workers and poll workers who witnessed fraud firsthand.
 

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I've always thought Pennsylvania would be the first state to flip to Trump, but Steve Bannon seems confident it will be Wisconsin. But once that first state does flip, the rest will soon follow, and it's game over for media-elect Biden.
 

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Only bringing this back for gloating purposes. But, to bring it to realism. How much damage has Trump done to his brand with his diehard base of Kool-Aid drinkers vs traditional Republicans? Will the Republicans find another champion (in fighting) or will they still go all-in on the one flew over the cuckoo's nest? Personally, Trump is the best Pied Piper I've ever seen. It's scary, but he figured it out. I thought Rush Limbaugh had it, but Trump consolidated the crazies from InfoWars to Rush and then some. How can Democrats combat the superior media/propaganda advantage? I think for Democrats to fight it with fire. They need a Democratic firebrand like an AOC which carries the torch of Bernie Sanders and add to it "America" "USA" to help ease the pain of moving over. This is the best train wreck of an election and future election ever!
 

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How much damage has Trump done to his brand with his diehard base of Kool-Aid drinkers vs traditional Republicans?

The republican party doesn't seem to be a long term viable mass party either. Big business, wars in the middle east and low taxes for the wealthy. That is not going to fly anymore, left or right.

If you want to better understand the positions in American politics, go look at France and how both the traditional Socialist party and the traditional Conservative party have been completely destroyed in the last election and split into a populist right, Front Nationale, and a Center-Liberal party, Enmarche, and a far-left party, La France Insoumise.

These are the modern splits that matter in politics. Trump is what Marine Le Pen is in France, working class, rural. Biden is what Macron is, the Center-Liberal, business mostly as usual, with a focus on education and green economy. Sanders is Melenchon, the far left utopians of mostly young people.

People say Front Nationale might win the next french election, in a seemingly reversal of what happened in the US.

What will the republicans do then? They have to try to be both Marine Le Pen and Macron and that is impossible. Which suggests that they have to split.
 

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How much damage has Trump done to his brand with his diehard base of Kool-Aid drinkers vs traditional Republicans?
It's not what Trump has done- it's what Biden and his party are going to do. Think about it- the media has covered for the democrats for years now. You think the average American would vote for the democrats if they listened to the types of things that AOC says and advocates for on a daily basis? The crazies in the democratic party will have a spotlight on them now, and this will be their downfall in 2024 when people are making public sacrifices to have Trump's economy back.
 

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Trump's economy of cutting taxes and increased spending while pushing INT rates down to historic lows. Democrats are tax and spend while republicans are just SPEND. We had a super majority for 2 years and the only thing we accomplished was cutting taxes(THANK YOU).

BTW the QBI tax cut which is resonsible for most of my realized tax savings is going to sunset. The only tax cuts that were permanent are for the super rich. While I am trying my hardest to hustle my income to those levels I have a way to go yet.

Also Trump is a fucking moron when it comes to section 230 its the most snowflake shit I have ever witnessed. Section 230 is simple you are not responsible for content you yourself did not author on your platform. It has nothing to do with being neutral or censorship. If you ditch section 230 or restrict it you will INCREASE censorship since you are forcing platforms to moderate content.

BTW if I was not clear above we should be focusing on cutting government spending across the board.

Military Budget
Entitlement(Social Security+medicare+medicaid)
Farm subsidies
 

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There isn't a like button here but Like for all above. I had to research what you guys said to further educate myself.

I knew Trump was threatening the latest defense budget, but that Section 230 I did not understand until you mentioned it. So, it sounds like we can thank both parties for ignoring Trump, and having enough votes to override any veto from Trump and approving the budget.
 

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It's not what Trump has done- it's what Biden and his party are going to do. Think about it- the media has covered for the democrats for years now. You think the average American would vote for the democrats if they listened to the types of things that AOC says and advocates for on a daily basis? The crazies in the democratic party will have a spotlight on them now, and this will be their downfall in 2024 when people are making public sacrifices to have Trump's economy back.
I'm curious, what is it that progressives like AOC/Bernie say that is so "batshit" crazy? Universal healthcare, you know like every other first-world democracy in the world? Crazy! Affordable college? Oh no that's insane! Livable wages? No way! I find it funny that people think these ideas are so "extreme" and "radical" when many first-world democracies have these very things and they are successful.

Also, Trump is dangerous, but most reasonable people realize the guy is a grifter/conman/narcissist who is completely detached from reality. It's his ardent supporters who are most dangerous to our democracy. It's very much like a cult, which is sad if you think about it (what a strange person to worship). This notion that Biden is going to do more harm than Trump is absolutely silly. Biden is a centrist. It'll be business as usual in Washinton unless he dies while in office. Either way, if Republicans take these two run-offs in Georgia, none of this will matter either way. You'll still have the Mitch "the Grim Reaper" McConnell cock blocking any sort of legislation that is beneficial to our country.

The Republicans have a real problem in 2024 if Trump runs again. His base is large enough to sway an election, so he will still have many of them under his foot. It's either that or they fracture the party, which will be a death penalty to the GOP. It's still Trump's party, as long as he has the cult-like following he currently has. Hopefully many will come to their senses in 4 years, but I'm not going to bank on it.
 

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Universal healthcare, you know like every other first-world democracy in the world? Crazy! Affordable college? Oh no that's insane! Livable wages? No way!
Where is the money for these things going to come from? “Tax the billionaires!” Oh, the billionaires that create the jobs and already pay the majority of the tax dollars?

Don’t even get me started about the identity politics crap, which is where the real lunacy comes into play...

If Biden owns the party like he said he did then it will be 4 years of Obama. If Biden doesn’t and the radical progressives are calling the shots, say goodbye to America.

Regardless, I live in Canada, a country that’s already f’d from now until the end of time.
 
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Where is the money for these things going to come from? “Tax the billionaires!” Oh, the billionaires that create the jobs and already pay the majority of the tax dollars?

Don’t even get me started about the identity politics crap, which is where the real lunacy comes into play...

If Biden owns the party like he said he did then it will be 4 years of Obama. If Biden doesn’t and the radical progressives are calling the shots, say goodbye to America.

Regardless, I live in Canada, a country that’s already f’d from now until the end of time.
Don't you live with your parents? A little self awareness might do you some good here :smile:
 

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Those of you naive enough to get your news from the main stream media won't know this, since they thrive on keeping you ignorant, but there's an enormous, multi-state lawsuit headed for the Supreme Court. Last I checked it was at 18 states and growing.


The evidence that the deep state stole this election is so overwhelming that any fair result will return it to Trump. The question is, is the Supreme Court fair, or have they been compromised like so many others? We'll see.

On the plus side, the few leftists who have actually kept up on things are freaking out right now, and YouTube has went full-blown 1984 by banning any video which challenges the idea that Biden won fairly. They're nervous as hell, and it's a beautiful thing.



For anyone who wants to keep tabs on things, the official OfficialACLJ YouTube account is a great resource (until YouTube bans it). It's ran by one of Trump's top lawyers, Jay Sekulow (12-0 in Supreme Court cases), so it's 100% reliable.


 

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The lawsuit is a joke and SCOTUS probably will not even hear it. It has also been mentioned on every major news outlet all day so I am not sure why you are claiming its some big secret?

I could list all the reasons why its a joke or point out that we don't know how many other states are actually going to "sign on" since some of them were filing friend of the court briefs.

I kind of feel bad how grifters and fuckwits have convinced you that some alternative reality exists where these lawsuits actually have a chance.

Also you should ask Jay Sekulow why he is not heading up Trumps lawsuits because the morons he has doing it now can't even file properly and have been dismissed for basic procedural errors.
 

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For anyone who wants a real hearty laugh, someone over on TheDonald.win put together a collage of leftists on Reddit breaking down over the Texas lawsuit. They know what's about to happen.

 

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Where is the money for these things going to come from? “Tax the billionaires!” Oh, the billionaires that create the jobs and already pay the majority of the tax dollars?

Don’t even get me started about the identity politics crap, which is where the real lunacy comes into play...

If Biden owns the party like he said he did then it will be 4 years of Obama. If Biden doesn’t and the radical progressives are calling the shots, say goodbye to America.

Regardless, I live in Canada, a country that’s already f’d from now until the end of time.

You don't need to tax the billionaires. It could be paid for with current tax revenue (reallocation of funds). Americans pay more per capita than any other country in the world. Even a small 5% tax, like Bernie Sanders proposed, would end up saving 80% of the country money. Many would actually make more, because their employers could pay them more, being freed up from paying employer health insurance.

It's funny that you are from Canada, where you can simply walk into a doctor and go to the emergency room free of charge. Your tone would change real fast once you got ass raped like most American's do with the cost of health insurance.
Those of you naive enough to get your news from the main stream media won't know this, since they thrive on keeping you ignorant, but there's an enormous, multi-state lawsuit headed for the Supreme Court. Last I checked it was at 18 states and growing.

It's funny to me how many people live in this alternate reality. Yet another lawsuit that goes absolutely nowhere. Grandstanding by the GOP. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant. I'll be here for the "LOL" when this get's shot down and the GOP comes up with the next hair-brained scheme to steal a legitimate election.
 

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You don't need to tax the billionaires. It could be paid for with current tax revenue (reallocation of funds). Americans pay more per capita than any other country in the world. Even a small 5% tax, like Bernie Sanders proposed, would end up saving 80% of the country money. Many would actually make more, because their employers could pay them more, being freed up from paying employer health insurance.
Where I live right now, minimum wage is $15 an hour. Guess how much it costs to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in a town in the middle of a frozen wasteland with a population of 18,000 people? $1200 a month if you know somebody. Decent cable and internet costs $170 a month and families are expected to have to pay around $670 more next year for groceries that are continually low-quality.

When the minimum wage increases, everything increases- for everybody. Also, the employees that used to work for 40 hours a week? They're now working for 29 hours a week or less, and their experience at work is worse because the employer now expects double the work to be done. That is, if the employer doesn't need to shut down.

BTW- Ask someone in a major city in Canada if $15 an hour is enough- not a single person working a minimum wage job will say yes. In order for people to live in a big city (which is where all the people who complain about minimum wage live/want to live) the minimum wage would need to be $18 an hour or more. The wage isn't the problem- the people and their $100 monthly mobile phone bills and Starbucks addictions are.
It's funny that you are from Canada, where you can simply walk into a doctor and go to the emergency room free of charge. Your tone would change real fast once you got ass raped like most American's do with the cost of health insurance.
Yeah, I can walk into an emergency room, get prescribed the wrong antibiotics because the doctor I'm dealing with is a generalist, and get sent on my way. Then, I can wait for 2 months to see my GP so I can get referred to a specialist, and I can wait another 3+ months to see the specialist.

I had a health issue back in November of 2019 that didn't get resolved until August 2020. Without COVID, my problem wouldn't have been solved until April 2020- a 5 month wait during "good" times.

There's a reason why so many Canadians cross the border to get their medical issues solved...