Let's Talk About Outting Our Own Projects

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I noticed a few things about the laboratory.

It's definitely not fast food, it can actually get pretty boring reading those threads, I read quite a few, when I say quite a few I mean a lot.

Which doesn't mean it's not good shit, because it is.

And I noticed that @CCarter just declared full on Nuclear War, and let me tell you, that's exciting.

You guys are good writers. The average post here is way more readable than the average fully edited article you can find online, which is quite amazing.

Anyway, I guess you know the trend, most threads don't disclose any identifiable details about the businesses or websites they are working on.

And this seems to be the Modus Operandi here.

We are all being civilized and keeping each others privacy.

That's all good...

But why not?

I mean, why not show us the websites? The Youtube channels? The articles, the blogs?

All those works of art.

I get it, you guys are in the lab, and you bring us the reports and results of your research.

We can even sometimes hear your test tubes bubbling and even a Ka-Bam from time to time.

Maybe there's a very good reason.

Are we protecting our projects from being copied by the competition?

Are we afraid of getting robbed by random dudes on the internet?

I can understand that there's some fragility your new baby, it was just born, and it can be crushed by a ruthless unwanted member of the audience.

But is all of this justified?

What are your thoughts on this?
 

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There's 4.6 billion people online every month right now. Let's say 1% of people are psychopaths. That's 46 million psychos online, or approximately the user base of Twitter and Reddit.

I've ran these journal type threads on every big SEO forum out there. I've never shared my domains, but that never stopped people from spending ungodly numbers of hours trying to track it down. They've done so successfully. I've been DDOS'd. I've been hacked. I've been Negative SEO'd.

The last time was on Wickedfire when me and @Tavin both came under such severe hack attempts that they turned into DDOS attacks, both of us at the exact same time. Someone spent the time to find both of our private, secret projects and attacked them both at the same time. Why? We were helpful members of the community. Jealousy is a big problem for some people.

Someone on BuSo even began PMing me guesses, asking if they had successfully found one of my sites or not... trying to pick through breadcrumbs in my lab thread.

I remember, and I think it was Spencer from Niche Pursuits, built a site and then shared it with his fan base. Not long after a psycho that was on WF and was on here (and banned) copied it and then Negative SEO'd the original site into oblivion. Funnily enough, the Income School guys went on to buy the unoriginal site and claimed that they built it from the ground up, and have since sold it.

Not only did this person copy the site, but they made sure to take out the competitor they copied. You ready to share your projects yet?

I've seen it happen over and over again. Never out your own projects if they involve SEO, which most do or should. If they're purely marketing plays with PPC or social media, sure, have at it. Doesn't mean you can't be DDOS'd into the ground during a great campaign, etc. Any script kiddie can fire up the open source Low Orbit Ion Cannon.

I ran a PPC campaign on Plenty of Fish once with PeerFly and it started crushing it. Suddenly my leads were denied for no reason. A couple weeks later on a PeerFly employee's blog, my campaign was being journal'd with my exact targeting and very similar creatives. You're not even safe from your own networks' employees. Why should you open it up to the whole world?

We've had several hot shots come through here and criticize people for not telling the world which websites are theirs. The funny thing is they never share their own either. Makes me wonder about their motivations.

Anybody that's been in this game for more than a few months knows the number one rule of public discussion: don't out your own sites and don't out others. That rule exists for a reason.
 

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You must be out of your damn mind.

lol

Billion-dollar shit been stolen on forums such as wickedfire.

 

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Organic is winner takes all.
Keep your keywords to your self.

Arbitrage and paid are only viable until someone else bids away the profit so it only gets worse.
 

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There is a reason they are called internet marketing scumbags.

There is a reason when small businesses hear SEO they think it's a scam, cause THEY HAVE BEEN scammed by low-effort SEOers.

The reality is most people aren't creative, somewhere during childhood to adulthood that creativity was drained out of them through society (PSA: If you have kids and can keep their creativity going till 18 years old they are going to be infinitely better at solving problems as an adult).

So when you show an SEO project they WILL get copied and then made "better", but the original thought - difficult for A LOT OF PEOPLE. SEO projects are relatively easy - download the content, spin that shit, and publish it on a new site. You don't want to spin, hire writers, find all the keywords of the competitor and create better versions. The barrier to entry with "only SEO" projects that are simply written words and some images is extremely low.

SEO projects are relatively easy. SAAS on the other hand takes weeks and months of programming, it's too much effort for a troll and then you have to market the damn thing. Same with most offline businesses - cannot easily duplicate overnight. Even eCommerce you have to source the material, products, and stuff. That actually involves REAL work and dedication. SEO blogs - literally a monkey can do it, get a $5 VA and give them instructions on sourcing content writers and all you need to do is come up with keywords to target.

A lot of "only SEO" fuckers have no money and too much time on their hands. They'll sit around trying to "trick" users instead of creating a better experience.

They'll throw up spun content onto a website project and really believe that's value and users are going to read that crap then click to through to Amazon so they can get the cookie. Fuck.

Blackhat and greyhat SEO are one thing but some of these people have so much time on their hands they will DDOS you just for fun. Instead of making money cause they can't they would rather irritate you. But even DDOS is child's play.

As a basement dweller, if you barely got a business registered those SEO projects getting nuked, you have little recourse. Now if you are a corporation with lawyers and resources, you can hunt people down and get law enforcement involved. So if you are a bad guy fucking with the little basement dweller SEO is no big deal, easy pickings.

You must not have enemies - I got their bodies lined up at the main gate from years of shitting on them. The Deep State of SEO is real, they were really trying to fuck with BuSo's website designer cause he setup our server. Fucking weirdos, don't worry we are rooting out all the Deep State members in that skype chat. I'm waiting to catch the squid one, elusive like the Kraken.

I'm with Stannis Baratheon on this one, keep your enemies as far away as possible.

Jon Snow: "I thought you were suppose to keep your enemies close?"

Stannis: "Whoever said that didn't have many enemies."​

Even if you aren't doing SEO, if you do paid or anything else, people will bot your lander just to flood your system with nonsense. There is a reason I recommend to block Amazon AWS servers, and other commercial server locations from accessing your site.

Why would AmazonAWS be accessing your site? It's not it is a bot!

Why would an IP Address from CloudFlare be accessing your site, when you don't have CloudFlare? It's not it's a bot!

Why would an IP Address from Digital Ocean, Heroku, or Random VPN co-location server be accessing your site? It's a bot.

(Also mods please delete this thread, no point in letting the Deep State know we are onto them.)
 
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I used to always want to know the URLs to websites people claimed to own in journey threads. Then, I eventually did get access to a few and I realized that most people who take the time to put together successful, long-term journey threads do actually know what they’re talking about.

You see, the reason why I always wanted to see the websites was because I thought everyone was full of it. I wanted to see proof that the people claiming to know what they were talking about did in fact know what they were talking about.

I don’t need to see websites anymore- I know who’s full of it and who isn’t. The pretenders always use the same routine. Join a forum, start up a journey, achieve goals without any proof, invite noobs to DM them, sell a garbage WSO product, get banned.

The pretenders always get exposed.
 
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I ran a PPC campaign on Plenty of Fish once with PeerFly and it started crushing it. Suddenly my leads were denied for no reason. A couple weeks later on a PeerFly employee's blog, my campaign was being journal'd with my exact targeting and very similar creatives. You're not even safe from your own networks' employees.
This shit happens over here too.

There’s an ecommerce site that lets you join, sort a like Amazon. You add your products, sell it, and they get all the data.

First time the sales slowed, I didn’t get it. A week later I noticed that you could order the same product directly from them and have it delivered via their Amazon Prime knockoff. And in the process of fucking me over they where friendly enough to push my product offer to the second page.

They also don’t allow you to advertise your own product and send people to your product page on their platform, thus preventing you from gathering data about your audience. That one resulted in a warning and a deduction in points...

Had given some thought about turning the product into a loss-leader, just to get even. That would only result in me hurting my own bottom-line and have absolutely no financial impact on them, so I decide to add that one to my list of “Lessons learned”, and left it for what it was.

..., they were really trying to fuck with BuSo's website designer cause he setup our server. Fucking weirdos
You’re joking. Right?

Why would AmazonAWS be accessing your site? It's not it is a bot!
Do you use the list published by AWS and parse that one with something like jq and feed the result to the server’s firewall? Only the EC2’s?
 
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Funny, a mate of mine (who is too lazy to ever be competition) was asking a million questions about my sites the other day, asking for examples and so on. But... it's all on the internet.

My point to him: If you cannot use a search engines and other tools to work out what the best players are doing you may as well give up now. Part of investigating other people's systems helps you to learn.

Theres literally another thread on BuSo right now about investigating what competitors are doing.
 

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Theres literally another thread on BuSo right now about investigating what competitors are doing
Yeah, that's going down I believe, it's not fair play :D
 
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Yeah, that's going down I believe, it's not fair play :D
I haven't made my point very well though. I'm not saying "check the other thread", I'm saying getting a list of sites to analyze isn't the hard/interesting part.

I just never understood the need to "see your site". Takes all of about 8 seconds to see the winners in Google.
 
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I haven't made my point very well though. I'm not saying "check the other thread", I'm saying getting a list of sites to analyze isn't the hard/interesting part.

I just never understood the need to "see your site". Takes all of about 8 seconds to see the winners in Google.
I am guessing that people have an idea of who they think is successful or not from their posts and want to see their sites based on that. They feel a closer connection to the person and think they have a better chance of copying or emulating them than whoever is behind some random site at the top of Google. But yeah, practically your point stands.
 

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But look @ ShaunM
@shaunm is building his personal brand overtime. After years of doing videos people will trust him more and more, and he'll be seen as an authority. Even if he was a newbie journalling his experience as he stumbles and goes through it shows a unique side that's not just guru. It's what GaryVee calls "Documenting the Journey":

Resources: Document, Don’t create: Creating Content that Builds Your Personal Brand

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What ShaunM can do afterwards is push a product, service, do speaking engagements, whatever he wants, he'll have an audience that has been with him for years and will trust him. Selling his audience anything at that point is rather easy, because they know who he is and what he is about.

But he is not exposing his projects cause he knows there are bad actors. First time I saw him was at BHW, so he's not a fool.

Here is my question: Why are you talking about your projects and show us what you've got so far? Maybe we can "help" you.
 
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@shaunm is building his personal brand overtime. After years of doing videos people will trust him more and more, and he'll be seen as an authority. Even if he was a newbie journalling his experience as he stumbles and goes through it shows a unique side that's not just guru.
I like it as it shows a realistic approach of how long this stuff takes too, there's too many people selling ebooks saying blogging is fast and easy and its far from it.

What ShaunM can do afterwards is push a product, service, do speaking engagements, whatever he wants, he'll have an audience that has been with him for years and will trust him. Selling his audience anything at that point is rather easy, because they know who he is and what he is about.
I have around 2200 subs on YouTube right now and I am starting to get one or two people reaching out for sponsored videos per month already too. So far all of their products have basically been solutions to problems that don't exist so I have turned them down but some people offer crazy money for a 10 minute video.