Should we still use Black Hat methods for CPA marketing?

[tufSosa]

Hey guys, tuf07915 here. Complete newbie. So iv'e been reading a little bit about "traditional CPA" and "cloaking" and finding offers that actually convert. Based on what iv'e read, it seems blackhat methods are still the way to go for CPA?

This is contrary to what iv'e seen in the digital marketing crash course which emphasizes that if you want to stay around for the long term- and your short term as well as long term focus is more than just money- you will succeed.

I have a complete blueprint about how to choose a vertical and build upon it by offering my USP and building it for the long term. For this, my motivation is not money. It's to build something that truly offers value.

My question is this: what do people who's short term focus and long term focus is money do? In other words, the people that don't care if their site is penalized. What kind of offers do these people find and quickly promote that will convert into cold hard cash for the short term?

I plan on following the digital marketing crash course foundation to a T. But I'm curious as to what blackhat methods people are using in 2017.

Sorry if this post is all over the place.

 

[infotech]

People with short term focus on `churn and burn` strategy. They will create a large number of websites with a large number of pages with tools like mass page creators. They buy those $1 domains on sale. Most of the work is scripted though.

I don't know about physical products (viagra ??) these sites promote but digital products are mostly adwares.

 

[CCarter]

But I'm curious as to what blackhat methods people are using in 2017.

You, or someone reading this hoping for blackhat methods to get fast money, are about to spend the next 1-2 years wasting your time and eventually you'll give up. Do blackhat methods exist still? Yes. Are they discussed openly on forums, no. "Cloaking" sure that exists, but people stopped talking openly about them and only "Ancients" of the SEO game still use them.

You aren't going to find true sustainable methods - spending 1-2 years on discovering "short term" methods is the exact opposite of what "short term" means. I know what you are looking for, but you are 10 years too late, and those with those secrets no longer post on forums or share them openly.

And the little crumbs you do find, you'll be making like $1 a day and need 300-1000 websites running at the same time to make decent daily income, and in the end you built your sand castle by the shore and the Google tide will continue to erode the methodology. One day you'll wake up to 90% of your projects and income gone, and you'll realize since you didn't have the real true blackhat methods, just some flimsy spammy grayhat methods, you wasted 1-2 years of your life and now you gotta go flip burgers at Burger King or get a 9-5 job cause you didn't setup a complete white hat method 1-2 years ago when you were chasing "quick get rich scheme" dreams and "fast profits".

You are looking for a road that was closed off years ago and the Ancients that do have the secret NEVER share them openly EVER since in the past it led to Google learning and eroding the methods faster. Maybe if you came to the game 3-5 years ago you'd know the names of the people to contact and ask but you are way too late. Simply put it there is no access level for newbies and those Ancients have zero reason to help you - you could be Google for all they know.

 

[tufSosa]

Understood. Thanks for that.

 

[JasonSc]

100% agree with CCarter on this. I spent part of 2015 and 2016 doing mass page sites. When it was all said and done I had built 500+ sites. Out of those 500 sites, you know how many of them are still indexed? Less then 20. You know how much I make on those sites per month? Around $100-$150 in adsense. That is per MONTH, enough to cover the cost of server and some beer money.

Part of 2014 and 2015, I was building mass spam, to rank and bank. I had a dedicated server split into 4 vps, running 3 instances of GSA SER and one running captcha breaker. I was spamming machine.

When you factor in the cost of proxies, SER lists services, server cost, content and all the misc costs, I would have been better off working a fast food job.

One day you'll wake up to 90% of your projects and income gone

You have a record day and wake up the next morning only to see zero traffic to any of your sites. You frantically start checking to see if sites are still indexed and the sinking feeling starts to settle in, you just got bitch slapped by Google. Trust me its not fun.

While I don't regret those 2 years I did learn a lot, but in the end, if I had spent the same time and energy building something of value, I wouldn't be at a 9-5 right now.

Go spend time at BHW and look at all the threads on how to make $50 -$100 a day. Most of those are played out or have a real short shelf life. Then look at here. Do you think these guys are trying to make $50-$100 a day? Fuck no, they are looking at $1000-$10,000K a day.

The days to quick riches have expired.

 

[Casper]

Black hat IM methods only really work now if you have a decent programming knowledge behind you.
Its all about social media spam, and a lot of that is cat and mouse with the site owners.

The old methods work the best though, for instance selling and item and running out...

Knew a guy who had automated everything to a T, he was in the duty-free tobacco affiliate market. Had bots selling cartons of cigarrettes on facebook and for each sale post he would have 3 or 4 shill accounts commenting and placing orders.

when someone commented on his post (which was not a shill or which didn't use the keywords 'not allowed' or 'illegal') the bot would add them as a friend and pm them to say something allong the lines of 'I'm really sorry I've sold my last carton and dont expect to get any more until next week, you can buy them at xyz as i bulk buy so many I'll yet you use my discount code.'

his bot was posting on hundreds of groups a day and making him some serious coin, until his supplier stopped trading.

If you want to look for black hat seo techniques have an indepth look at the really really high value keywords such as bingo

 

[turbin3]

Build something that offers value.

At this point in time, if one must ask whether they can start their own "drug cartel", the answer is NO. Not gonna happen.