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I'm EraticConquer and I'm returning to internet marketing after 10 years away from the grind. For almost a decade I've been running a web development shop and after selling my share of the agency, I've decided that I want to get back to my roots in IM as I'm done with pitching and schmoozing.

It seems that the old haunts such as WickedFire are dead, people like Shoemoney and John Chow have been revealed as less than credible and the days of wild west style internet marketing are numbered so I have a lot of catching up to do.
 
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Welcome aboard :smile:

Interesting you mention Shoemoney as I was wondering what the heck happened to that guy? I followed him way back in the days of ringtones but he seems to have fallen off the grid?

John Chow was always a slime ball IMO. He sells any crap to his viewers, at least SM had some strategies that actually worked.
 

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Interesting you mention Shoemoney as I was wondering what the heck happened to that guy? I followed him way back in the days of ringtones but he seems to have fallen off the grid?
He's selling guest posts on his main blog now. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Welcome, @EraticConquer. Another old timer. Wickedfire died due to bad administrative choices, WarriorForum sold to Freelancer and they basically killed that, Black Hat World is still spam posting central. There's Facebook groups that move to fast and are too low quality. People have tried to create private chats and things of that nature. The forum platform is still the best when the users and moderators make a point of keeping everything high quality. You found the last remaining stronghold against the tide of dummies.
 
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There's really only this forum left unless for real information you want to pay for something like Income School or Authority Hackers.
 
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@Ryuzaki it's spooky, like leaving Detroit in her heyday then coming back.

@Darth yeah I never liked that guy, he always seemed sleazy.

@bernard interesting you mention Authority Hackers I was thinking of picking up either that course or The Lab if there's a black Friday deal.
 
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@bernard interesting you mention Authority Hackers I was thinking of picking up either that course or The Lab if there's a black Friday deal.
Have you checked out the forum's Digital Strategy Crash Course yet? TBH I would start from there, and then search the forum or ask questions when you need specifics (e.g. keyword volumes accuracy, content templates, automation etc.).

Personally, the best thing I learned from Authority Hacker is how to mass "spam" outreach emails - emailing hundreds of people asking for links on autopilot. They market it as "shotgun skyscraper" and I don't know if it's part of the newbie course or not. But again, this kind of mass mail merge outreach is something that you can ask questions about on the forum here, and I'm sure you'll get all the info you need.

DO listen to authority hacker's podcast though, they've got some great episodes there. Finally, here's a Reddit post by an experienced marketer/SEO pointing out some negatives of AH's system that I think is worth reading (they also talk about Affiliate Lab in the comments).
 
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AH's podcast is incredibly helpful. The guys appear to know what they're talking about more than most "guru" types I've come across, and while they obviously push their courses, they provide tons of useful information and insight.

I agree completely with Poplanu. Don't bother with their course, just stick with the DSCC here to get reoriented. However, AH's link building techniques should certainly be part of your arsenal, because they are quite efficient.

The "Shotgun Skyscraper" technique is the most interesting idea that AH presents and promotes. They sell some courses on it, but there's really no need to pay. Just listen to their podcasts and read their articles on it, and you'll get enough of the idea that you can implement it yourself. Once you start playing with it, you can tweak it as needed.

They suggest you not pay for links at all, but I don't think that's great advice. I get their position, but in my experience, about 75% of respondents ask for payment. And while you may be able to get around the fee by proposing a guest post, that also means you need to monitor and follow up with each site to ensure that they've published the post, that the links are correct, etc.

It's usually easier to pay a small fee and just get the link inserted.

Bottom line: read the DSCC and listen to AH podcast. Don't pay for courses, put your money into content and link building instead.
 
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It's usually easier to pay a small fee and just get the link inserted.
It's much easier, but also against Google's rules and in my experience, once sites begin charging for guest posts, it doesn't take long before they're defacto PBNs, unless they charge a large fee.
 
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Thanks all - I think I'll avoid the courses for a while and search through the resources here.
 
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It's much easier, but also against Google's rules and in my experience, once sites begin charging for guest posts, it doesn't take long before they're defacto PBNs, unless they charge a large fee.
You're right, it is technically against Google's rules, but the act of building links at all is technically against their rules. Google says guest posts should be nofollowed. And Shotgun Skyscraper links, even unpaid, probably should be nofollowed as well under the same logic.

Obviously you don't want to just take any link from any site that messages back. But I'm not certain how one could really distinguish between an unpaid link and a paid link on a decent site.
 

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Have you checked out the forum's Digital Strategy Crash Course yet? TBH I would start from there, and then search the forum or ask questions when you need specifics (e.g. keyword volumes accuracy, content templates, automation etc.).

Personally, the best thing I learned from Authority Hacker is how to mass "spam" outreach emails - emailing hundreds of people asking for links on autopilot. They market it as "shotgun skyscraper" and I don't know if it's part of the newbie course or not. But again, this kind of mass mail merge outreach is something that you can ask questions about on the forum here, and I'm sure you'll get all the info you need.

DO listen to authority hacker's podcast though, they've got some great episodes there. Finally, here's a Reddit post by an experienced marketer/SEO pointing out some negatives of AH's system that I think is worth reading (they also talk about Affiliate Lab in the comments).
FYI - the Reddit post is really not too nuanced, there are quite a few inaccuracies in it as well.
 

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Welcome to the forum. A friend of mine has AHPro and I've had a look around the blueprints. What I'd say is that if you have some experience in SEO/Wordpress/link building then you'll probably not get much more out of it that you would by reading the crash course. It's essentially build money content, build info content to support it and then build links to the info content. Pretty much everything you'll learn through their blog (especially the posts by Perrin).

I was tempted by it but decieded to invest the money into my site and figure it all out as I go. Regardless of the course, unless you use an aged domain you're still spending time in the sandbox and building up trust so you might as well drop the course money on a domain and some links.

Also don't make my early mistake - build out structure and then focus on everything but SEO - Pinterest is killing it for me at the moment.
 
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FYI - the Reddit post is really not too nuanced, there are quite a few inaccuracies in it as well.
The poster usually knows what he's talking about in online business / SEO / marketing, which is why I'm following him. But admittedly, he's got a rather negative attitude towards online marketing courses.

If you have a few minutes, maybe you could write up a quick reply to him on Reddit and point out the inaccuracies? Or some aspects that he's missing in his post? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
 
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The poster usually knows what he's talking about in online business / SEO / marketing, which is why I'm following him. But admittedly, he's got a rather negative attitude towards online marketing courses.

If you have a few minutes, maybe you could write up a quick reply to him on Reddit and point out the inaccuracies? Or some aspects that he's missing in his post? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
Rather not, it's not really a good use of time to try to educate someone who doesn't want to be :smile:
 
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Welcome to the forum. A friend of mine has AHPro and I've had a look around the blueprints. What I'd say is that if you have some experience in SEO/Wordpress/link building then you'll probably not get much more out of it that you would by reading the crash course. It's essentially build money content, build info content to support it and then build links to the info content. Pretty much everything you'll learn through their blog (especially the posts by Perrin).

I was tempted by it but decieded to invest the money into my site and figure it all out as I go. Regardless of the course, unless you use an aged domain you're still spending time in the sandbox and building up trust so you might as well drop the course money on a domain and some links.

Also don't make my early mistake - build out structure and then focus on everything but SEO - Pinterest is killing it for me at the moment.
I remember reading some posts from you a while ago when you were first starting out with Pinterest and it was slowly starting to generate a bit of traffic. What have you noticed that's amplified the Pinterest traffic influx the most?
 

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@Supermulti I'm like 85% Pinterest traffic at the moment and haven't really bothered with SEO yet. While obviously I can't prove anything I don't think I'd be at this income level if I'd just focused on SEO.

Anyway I've hijacked this thread enough so I'll post a more detailed update on my own thread later today.